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Evil Mormons

  

With a record like this, it's difficult to see how Mormons can hold their head up.


Shame, shame.

No wonder Huckaby's faith is superior.



 
Christ-Like Lives: 

 

The 2005 National Study of Youth and Religion published by UNC-Chapel Hill found that  Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) youth (ages 13 to 17) were more likely to exhibit these Christian characteristics than Evangelicals (the next most observant group):


   

1. Attend Religious Services weekly

2. Importance of Religious Faith in shaping daily    life –   extremely important  

3. Believes in life after death

4. Does NOT believe in psychics or fortune-tellers  

5. Has taught religious education classes

6. Has fasted or denied something as spiritual discipline 

7. Sabbath Observance 

8. Shared religious faith with someone not of their faith

9. Family talks about God, scriptures, prayer daily

10. Supportiveness of church for parent in trying to raise teen     (very supportive)

11. Church congregation has done an excellent job in helping teens better understand their own sexuality and sexual morality                                                         

 

    LDS                    Evangelical

1.  71%                          55%

2.   52                             28

3.   76                             62

4. 100                             95

5.   42                             28

6.   68                             22    

7.    67                             40

8.   72                             56

9.    50                             19

10.  65                             26

11.  84                             35

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Let's Just Tar and Feather the Man

     I haven't had a cup of coffee in nearly thirty years, and now I think this sudden underload of caffeine is beginning to catch up with this old boy.
  Being a good old boy from the south, I feel it best we go ahead with our original plans to tar and feather my man Mitt.  Has any man ever found himself more deserving.  A gutless coward of a self acknowledged baby killer who when given the opportunity to slash a few fetus germs,  chose life instead. Get the kettle hot, please.
   Now the man has moved beyond the bar of tolerance with the alledged seeing his father march With Martin Luther King Jr.  In this context, the man deserves his much needed coat of petroleum flavored Ebony. Doesn't the Mitt understand the necessity of precision in politics. If not, the man Mitt will soon wake up to it. 
      I mean... hey, us souther Bible toters will not tolerate his inconsistencies. 
     To see or not to see. Make up your mind, Mitt.  You're beginning to sound like that Bible thumping, cross carrying Mike Huckaby.  I saw it on his back in a recent Christmas advertisement, an ad I rightfully appreciated it.  People are just making too much of  Huckaby's consistency when they should be focusing on your  obvious impasses, namely, the gall to dupe us southerners into thinking you are some alien form of Negro loving Yankee.
     Let me recant, Mitt, if you will allow such un-studious behavior from others. You don't quite measure up to Huck in any manner. Instead, you sound more like his Authorized Version.  My Bible. The Bible I love. My King James. You mean to tell me that you saw your ole daddy march with the the King?  And now you're tellin me you didn't actually see your daddy-O march with My Main man Martin?  Come on, Mitt. We know you were off on a mission for your  covey.  Besides, I'm hearing now, Papa never really marched with Luther. That's it.  I'm off your boat. How can I be sure you were even on a Mission... that you even had a father?
    I'm in the Huckaby camp, now. He's one of me, a part of me, a common genetic thread in the  great weak link that binds us Southerners into spiritual oneness.   At least Uncle Huck never in a million years even claims to  have trotted with the King. Could we be more proud of that?  Heck, Huck and I were busy braiding our cotton  pick into nice hanging ropes, custom fit for the Martian and his remaining darky aliens. 
     Read your Bible, Mitt. Oh, oh, oh, you did, I suppose. Maybe you shoud ditch that JS Version and recoupe one of these KJV. Had you read the one and only, inspired, inerrant, wholly complete version you would not have failed me. Your Bible is as confusing as you, Mitt. I've read it. LOLOLOLOL.  In one place your Bible says(and I forget which verse... I vowed to never touch the imigtation  leather of that silly book again. I'll hang with my KJV) that Moses saw God, or maybe it was Abraham. Both, perhaps. Then your Bible's Moses just eats my cake. He claims that God passed by revealing his hind parts, his back, etc. Then the old Moses man talks about   hair as wool, his clothes, his feet.  Over and over those men claimed to have seen God, even describe his appearence.
     Get you a King James like Huck and I worship.  Had you have just read a real Bible, you would have known the Real Jesus. The Real Jesus in the real Bible said without reservation: No man hath seen God at any time.
The great Entity is a Spirit, Mitt. He is invisible, muc h like you by Iowa caucuss. 
     I suggest you withdraw from the race.  It's the White, House, Mitt, not a place for Negro loving, God seeing, Luther marching, daddy loving, flip flopping confused Yankee, Bibleless thumpers such  as yourself.
Please! Bill forced us to redefine sex, Now you're asking us to take another look at saw.
     Is, the coffee hot, Lizzy? I need some.
     Kill a chicken, bring his feathers, and come see me.
    

Rocky

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You are brilliant Frank Pastore

Great Job Frank Pastore.

As an Evangelical you wrote a great piece. As a Mormon I admire your intelligence, your control of the language. Your several abilities to promote your cause. However, had I written this article, and somehow possessed your expertise and your outline, a few elements would differ.
Readers should visit  Pastore's article:  "Christian angst over a Romney Presidency'     at TownHall.com

Please suffer me:

Rocky says:

Millions of Mormon conservatives have the same angst I do: we’re willing to vote for Mike Huckaby for president, but unwilling to compromise our Mormon faith in the process.

Calling us cults, devils, antichrists" and assuring that any discussion of Evangelical bigotry toward Mormonism is "out of bounds in prime time" only aggravates our deepest concerns and makes our vote for him more difficult and perhaps less likely.

As Latter Day Saints, our deepest allegiance and commitment is to Jesus Christ and His Gospel. We are Lds Christians first, Americans second and conservatives third—and we’ll support the Republican Party as long as it maintains fidelity to these deepest core values.

My whole Christian life has been spent fighting to secure a prominent place for the silenced, the disenfranchised in the market place of ideas against the forces of bigotry that would continually seek to silence that voice.

Ironically, many well-meaning Orthodox Christians are now working with Lds Christians and other minorities to assure the discussion of tolerance and co-operation in the public square—a tiny portion of this work is for the sake of improving the chances of a candidate belonging to a Minority religion winning a Presidential election. Mitt Romney. Evangelics for Mitt.

My vision, and the vision of many Mormons, is more long-term than the ’08 election. We’re defending the Gospel truth that America is no mere Kingdom, on the earth, but a God Ordained land of freedom where our differences become our strengths, where we differ, yet maintain our dignity and core values when intermingling.

What we are saying is this: "We stirve for a day when what we say about each other in private, we are willing to yell it from the rooftops. For a moment when the, not so ready for prime time anit-cult films and rhetoric loaded with flimsy distortions shown and discussed in secret places are long past. To a day when Politicians like Mike Huckaby, Mitt Romney and others can share with the world that which is done in secret without fear of hampering a positive political stradegy.

Every God fearing American must actively resist the attempts of both secular and religous leaders to practice what amounts to self , and affiliate censorship aimed at preventing certain undesirable elements of one's behavior, and, or ideology from reaching prime time ears and minds. Such would tend to shed too much unwanted light.

Today, certain Orthodox Christians find themselves unable to defend itself against the claims of most in the public square, primarily because somewhere down the road they forgot that Freedom is our most precious liberty. Slavery did not end because Evangelical Christians suddenly decided the practice was immoral, sinful, the work of madmen, but because the "godless northern yankees" ended it for them.

How will this group of believers ever maintain the right to, much less actually defend itself in the science classroom against the claims of macro-evolution and naturalism, or the philosophy classroom against the claims of atheism and secularism, or in the ethics classroom against the claims of moral relativism and post-modernity when for decades they preached the Negro less than human. The earth was flat and the Sun stood still for a few days. Hundres of awkward examples could be offered.

How is it that simply naming Evangelical Christianity in the south draws the now-predictable "bigoted, religous hate group" response—like the throwing of a human decency foul flag? If I was an Orthodox Christian I would relish the opportunity to talk about what my religion teaches in the back rooms, open up our attendance rolls and count the Negro's in my white congregation, rehash old memories of waterhosing Negroe's in our streets, hanging them from our trees, murdering and torturing them in every manner conceivable, and what better opportunity to get the message out than when a Baptist Preacher is running for president?

As Mike Huckaby pointed out in his refusal to publicy countenance his personal opinion of Mitt Romney's faith, Evangelicals who open up their hidden treasures for all to see risk being labeled bigoted hate mongers. You can bet Huckaby would be leading the charge in opening up his papers, sermons and speeches in dark places if he believed such could even remotely help his presidential bid. Maybe show a few anti-Mormon films, or something as simple as that.

The very fact that he won’t talk about it, publicly, at least, makes most sensible Americans suspicious. If there is an unwillingness to talk about what Evangelicals say about so-called cults in private, how can we work towards cooperation and understanding in the realm of shared values? How can legitimate God loving, neighbor serving Americans ever trust such a president coming from such a covert operation holding such exclusive bend.

Merely telling their sheep that Mormons are not Christian would likely suffice the average orthodox believer. Why should Evangelical and other religous leaders lessen their integrity even farther by creating a superficial chasm between the two faith groups? My Jesus is better than your Jesus. Your Jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible. My God has no passion therefore he has no sex. Mormons really worship Joseph Smith, etc, etc. The distorted rhetoric could go on and on, but the point is that this idea that the ends justify the means when it comes to refuting Mormonism just doesn't get it. We Mormons already know the Source of this irate philosophy presenting itself as one of the many points of conflict between Orthodox Christianity and Mormonism. Between insightful Mormons and Mike Huckaby.

Mormons such as myself, view Orthodox Christianity in a manner akin to our view of Santa Clause or the Tooth fairy. Great stuff, likely developed from an element of truth, but can never ever be seen as real or even a literal appendage to any real founding person or movement. Mormons rightfully claim that Christianity, as we know it today, has it's roots in the reformation... just and only that deep, creating no positive link to the Man Jesus Christ in either geneaology or Revelation. That the Bible is complete and the heavens are sealed presents the most devistating element of Orthodoxy. The doctrine is Legitimacy Suicide conducive to a total and complete apostasy in need of Restoration.

Perhaps this is the real reason Mormons and Orthodox Christians share almost nothing in common. The former's every doctrine, was at least present in the earliest times, while the latter's primary oracles first appear in the era of reformation. Hence, the deceptively charged, formulatic claims of the anti-Mormon sluth who makes strident claims that Mormonism rejects two thousand years of Historic Christianity are hollow, meaningless nuances meant to be intentionally misleading. After all it isn't difficult to mislead the unsuspecting who never check the sources.

For example, Huckaby recently said he believed the Bible to be the inspired message of God to man. Something to that effect. Only he lay a few ground rules one must acknowledge. Semantics play into this interpretation, allegory and the works. One cannot believe Jesus actually meant for his people to poke out their eyes if they offend, or cut off one's hand if it caused him to offend. The question is, where did the allegory start and where did it end? Did it end before Hell or after? Are other scriptural instances of Hell allegorical? I'm sure Huckaby would halt the allegory before the mention of Hell and emphatically deny the latter, since any other program would disagree with Evangelical doctrine of Endless torment.

Unlike most Evangelicals, Mormons never tire of the fact Jesus and others in the Bible often spoke of an eternal devil's hell, but not once suggested men would stay there eternally. Coincedcence? Alternative Biblical Translations now reject the notion of an endless hell for men. However Evangelicals view such translations with suspicion, meaning any time one of these later versions disagree with their End Time view, it is wrong.

Allow me, please, to share with others, my testimony.

 

"I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the Savior of mankind, the first born among many, and in fact, an infinite number of Sons of God. He is indeed the only begotten in the flesh, chosen from the beginning to bring the plan of redemption to many brethren. " Lucifer, a creation of God, and therefore GOOD, a son of God, and in that sense only exist an eternally fallen brother to Jesus.

Praise be to God, that in Christ Jesus I stand as heir to all the riches of God. Everything. In Christ Jesus I share in his divinity, for it is no longer I that work, but Christ in me. The end of the mirror is all knowledge, the end of death is God. God became man, that man might become one with him. Jesus was and is God simply because he was and is one with God. With he in me and me in he... one... I shrink not at the truth than man, through Christ Jesus is destined for diety. Though Mormons would prefer eternal progression over evolution. Semantics.

Let man reproduce after his own kind. God failed to choose an ox to bring forth the Only Begotten. I see no coincedence since the Lord himself set the standard. The Blue Jay to the Blue Jay, the dog to the dog, God to woman. Each of the same kind.

When it comes to Mormons and their support of Mike Huckaby for the presidency, I am concerned about where his ultimate, most fundamental allegiance lies. I would be comforted, somewhat, if there was an acknowledgement of some concern for what a Huckaby presidency would mean in terms of advancement of the radical Evangelical agenda. Would the racial and religous bigotry of the far right increase through bold missionary efforts, or perhaps even public policy? Would America devolve to the days of Martin Luther King, to the days when the Evvangelicals wielded their influence and power with the calm of an attack hound? Woud there be an upsurge in the desire to resurrect the stars and bars, the proud emblem of radical Evangelical south?

Do they not wonder that, though we may not hear much from Huckaby about stout Evangelical oddities during the campaign, we may in fact hear volumes from Georgia after the inauguration?

I’ll vote for Huckaby if I someone is holding a gun to my head, I suppose, if it will mean personal survival. But should he become president, I, along with millions of other Mormon Christians will expose each and every attempt by the Evangelicals and other like minded Christians to advance their exclusive ideology through the world, for we are aware of the potential spiritual challenges of having a Baptist preacher in the White House.

This is what makes the decision very difficult.


My hat is off to you, Mr. Pastore.   Thanks for the inspiration.  

 

 

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If There Is a God in the Heavens



     In 1981 a young 19 year old, life long Southern Baptist decided to take the plunge into Mormon waters. I was baptized in ice cold water in a neighboring lady's swimming pool sometime in late november.
     I must say my religous experience as a young, active, Baptist was moderate at best. I was "saved" when I was just a youngster , and over the course of 18 years was baptized twice at the hands of 2 separate Baptist ministers.
     I'll never forget the many experiences that led to my acceptance of Mormonism. I was employed by a Baptist Deacon's chairmain, and worked along side two Baptist preachers and a student of Jerry Falwell's School of Life Long Learning. Liberty University. When the Mormon missionaries knocked on my door, they invited me from the get go to approach spiritual matters prayerfully. I should accept nothing they said just because they said it.  I was asked to pray and ask God concerning their message. Follow the Lord, became the corner stone of their message. 
   They would teach me a lesson, ask me to pray about it. I would, but I would also discuss the tenants with my boss and the two preachers at work. I was informed by them that asking God about anything as stupid as Mormon doctrine was an affront to God. I didn't need to ask God about such ridiculous teachings. He was angered by such, since the Bible was plainly opposed to Mormon doctrine. That was exactly why God wrote the Bible. Just for false religions. 
   As soon as my co-workers discovered the fact that my wife was an inactive Mormon, they actually suggested I force her to attend my Baptist church, even if it meant physically beating her. One can imagine the impact of their example on my decision regarding faith.  
    After word got out that I was investigating the Mormon church, I suddenly began having run-ins with local pastors, or deacons, or just plain ole caring, Baptist members. Mostly, they were genuine in their concern for me, but why did they choose to give lip service to hashed and re-hashed accusations  of the critics that have mostly been proven false? I'm not one to suggest that every aspect of Mormonism is irrefutable, but when I have a Book of Mormon in my hand and these religous leaders blatantly mis-quote it to their cruel aims, how is this example supposed to square with their -so called- truth? Was I drawn to their clumsy ways? No. Did I feel God was in their brazen examples? No.
     After I became a member of the LDS faith, the heat was on. It seemed every religious zealot  attacked me systematically.  At the grocery store, at the bank, at the store, on the street corner, at work. The longer this went on, the more bitter the argument became. Once a certain pastor jerked a string through my hand, cutting it pretty bad. We were debating religion as we worked. He'd obviously had enough of me.
    As time moved on, I began to learn the doctrines of the church. Additionally, I studied comparative religions, and decided to host debates. Most of our debates were enjoyable, productive, I was able to baptize at least four other Baptist as a result of my outreach to the community in Bible studies and debates.
     After these Baptisms, local pastors lost their patience with me. I was told by a local pastor that the President of Interfaith Ministries at the local Baptist association wished to discuss, with me, my Mormonism. This gentlemen had studied Mormons and other cults for fifty years.  I asked the pastor to inform the Interfaith leader of my willingness to meet with him.
    Upon contacting this Interfaith leader, I learned that he wished to
set up a debate and invite our friends and family, especially the people who might be influenced by Mormonism. He wanted to set me straight, and at the same time, save those people who might be Mormon influenced.
     About 25-30 interested individuals came to the debate. Matters did not go as he expected. I had done my homework. The debate had been recorded. There would be no squirming, no spinning, no denying. The man was harmed to the point of later calling me several times threating me in many ways. I would turn those tapes over to him or he would destroy my business. He would tell whatever he had to tell to destroy my reputation. Once he came to my job and  stood in my face ordering me to go on TV and tell the world the truth. I would tell everybody that I did not believe in Jesus Christ of the Bible or he would... his threats were always centered on destroying my business. He'd tell my customers and potential customers that I was a liar, I was untrustworthy, I was a con.
    When I think of Mike Huckaby, I can't help but think of this man and the many more of similar stripe. The Catholic--- Brownback issue. The slurs from Huckaby's camp, and Huckaby's refusal to denounce.
The latest Christian adds from Huckaby. The latest push polling traced to Huckaby's camp. Huckaby's supposed lack of knowledge of such polling. A coincidence that Huckaby just had dinner with the guilty party, but was unaware of their covert activities.
    Recently, an Anti-Mormon Film entitled "The Secret World of Mormonism" was sent to all 52 Southern  Baptist churches in our  county Association. Fortunately, a friend of our family showed a few of us Mormons the film. He wanted to save us from hell before it was too late.  Unfortunately the materials were fraudulant. Scriptures unique to Mormons were mis-quoted toward the greatest harm. The severity of the language was guaged to create the most obscene, prejudiced reactions to the LDS church teachings. This whole notion of Satan as Jesus's brother. Lucifer, perhaps, but Satan? The whole strangled hoopla regarding the Sexuality of God, that God had sex with Mary... sex as we know. Sorry, but it didn't work with me.  As an LDS member for nearly 30 years, I knew better. As an observer of my Baptist friends for nearly 50 years, I was not surprised at what followed.
    The fabrications in that film, and others, are designed for the weak, the ignorant, the half footers who haven't really decided.
Mike Huckaby

The week following my viewing of the film, I consulted with a couple members in my local LDS congregation. We wanted to respond to the film. So, I decided to send invitations to each of the 52 Baptist pastors within this particular association.   I would invite
them to allow myself and two more brethren the opportunity to come to their perspective congregations and present our version of Mormonism. We would gladly take questions, research any matters if necessary.
We wished to check- with them- the resources of this film. We wished to check the credentials of the critics inside the film, their witness, their testimony, their resources.
     Consulting the phone book, I was able to get sufficient contact information. So, I started calling: 
    
Hello, My name is Brother Dan. I'm a member of the Mormon Church. Recently I was asked to watch a Film called  The Secret World of Mormonism. It was an amazing film, but we, as LDS feel that our faith was misrepresented in many ways. We would  consider ourselves blessed if you would allow us to come make a presentation to your congregation regarding this film. We would enjoy the priviledge of helping your people understand what we actually believe, the spirit of our religion. We feel that all of our people are best served when given the opportunity to hear from both sides of the aisle. We see fairness in such approaches.
 
Amazingly, every pastor I called, first denied any knowledge of the film. These men knew me and knew me well.  Then, after informing them that a certain pastor had already told me the story, these pastors almost unaminously, then, denied actually showing the film to their congregation. Unfortunately, certain members of most congregations told me otherwise. They told me when and where they watched it, where the film originated from, and the channel used to place it in the churches. It had come through the County Baptist association.
So, I phoned the association President. I'll tell you now, this great man denied any knowledge of the film, knew nothing of it. I asked if he would be in a position to know if a film such as this had made it's way through the distribution channels. He gave me no definite answer.
Then, I phoned the very gentleman that I had earlier debated.  The leader of interfaith ministries. He told me the truth. His testimony agreed with the average Baptist that had told me the truth. The film had come through the association, the president was aware of the movie,  each of the 52 pastors had been presented with a copy of the film. Finally, the interfaith leader wasn't aware of a particular pastor that did not show the film to his people.
I asked the interfaith leader: "Why did all of these people lie to me? I thought the gospel was about the truth. If this film was worth showing, is it not worth defending?
     His answer... and I love him for this... was:  "These are the days in which we live. They are going to lie to you to avoid confrontation." The gentleman went on to say that the average Baptist member only had a ten minute attention span, that the average Baptist could never comprehend the argument. Such confrontation from the Mormons would only serve to confuse his people. We all know where confusion comes from."
    Reckon where lies come from?
     Is  Huckaby lieing? Certainly. In public, before the world, he refuses to crucify Mormons, but in the backrooms, in the shadows, in the darkness those of his kind are busy building crosses. Ramping up the antics, demonizing the Mormons and others not of their particular stripe. That stripe is yellow, and it runs down the center of  Huckaby's and those of his kind's back. I know his kind.  They ate of my flesh until I bit back.  
     Is much of Huckaby's rhetoric hate speech? Yes, certainly. Such coy as "don't Mormons believe Jesus and Satan are Brothers,"  moves into the realms of deception, bigotry, intentional scam, shadowy figures working evil, irreversably poisoning the waters. 
     The Huckster and many of his supporters are just plain ole cowards, and I'm not talking about Baptist. Most of
my friends are Baptist, and I love them dearly. This is not a Baptist or Methodist, or Mormon thing.
My challenge to Huckaby and many of his supporters is this: Tell the world how you really feel about Mormonism. What you really feel toward Mitt Romney.  You've watched the films, you've been involved with Anti- Mormon rhetoric, you have served that cause with your time, your talent, your funds. Now,  come clean, y'all, and Mike Huckaby.  Bring it on in the prime time media.
     Carfeful
observers know you're filthy.  Intelligent citizens know the Huckster is less than qualified to Preside over this great land with it's diversity of faiths and races.  Mormons will never respect the former Governor of Arkansas. Mark Jehovah's Witness off the list. Many Catholics, Scientologist... any of the sub-groups the Huckster and his carriers deem cults, false religions, hell bound. His participation in this form of debauchery disqualifies the man to govern.
     It's time people of dignity and genuine love for neighbor demand Mike Huckaby  open up his papers. Show us the films shared in secret places, in the basements of churches around the country. Where are your sermons, Mike Huckaby? You say you don't know much about Romney or his Mormonism. 
     I agree. The Huckster knows nothing about Romney or his Mormonism. However, his willingness to support, with his time, his presence, his leadership, and money, the various peoples and organizations who spout deception and pure dee ole lies in the name of  "exposing the evils of Mormonism"  and other so-called cults makes Mr. Huckaby a card carrying member of the Club. He's one of the boys, an expert in Counter Cult Ministeries, I would say, and therefore a deceiver, unwilling to allow the world to see where he is, and where he's been. If real Americans could see, they would know immediately where he is going.  Back to Arkansas. 
     If there is a God in the heavens, and there is,  Romney will eat your lunch, Pastor Huckaby.
     The rest of your supporters will gladly be your prey.
 
Rocky.   dpg@tycom.net.
 
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